Lesson: Pronouns - Part II

Comment on Pronouns - Part II

Hello Brent ! I Understood that " That " and "those " do not necessarily replace their antecedents but whats the take away ? Does it mean it is wrong to use That and those as their could be ambiguity regarding the antecedent ?
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The takeaway is that those pronouns are not necessarily equal to their antecedents.

For example, consider the sentence "Today, Joe's nose is longer than IT was yesterday."
Here IT = JOE'S NOSE
So, we could also write "Today, Joe's nose is longer than JOE'S NOSE was yesterday."

Now consider the sentence "Joe's nose is longer than THAT of Fred."
Here THAT does not equal JOE'S NOSE. We cannot write "Joe's nose is longer than JOE'S NOSE of Fred."

Instead, THAT refers to noses in general.

Brent,

1) Do I understand it correctly, that "that/those" play a similar role to the words "corresponding or respective"

Andy's novels are reviewed more often than those of any other writer.

Those of - plays a role of "corresponding or respective novels".

2) Where can I use this/these in the same way as you explained instances for "that and those"

Can I say:

Andy's novels are reviewed more often than these of any other writer.

Thank you in advance
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1) I wouldn't say that THAT/THOSE play a similar role to the words "corresponding" or "respective".
If anything, I'd say the word OF plays a role similar to that of "corresponding" and "respective"

In the sentence "Andy's novels are reviewed more often than THOSE of any other writer," the word THOSE is a placeholder for THE NOVELS.
In other words, Andy's novels are reviewed more often than THE NOVELS of any other writer.

2) THIS and THESE is used for things close to the writer/speaker, while THOSE is used for things distant from the writer/speaker.
Some grammarians say that if you stand in one spot and can touch one of the object(s) you're referring to, then use THIS/THESE.
If you must point to indicate the object(s), or if you can't even do that, use THOSE.

In the sentence about Andy's novels the OTHERS' NOVELS are not within reach, so we must use THOSE.

Here's an example of THESE: If Joe is sitting beside a pile of vintage stamps, he might say: Sue's stamps are worth a lot more than THESE."

Cheers,
Brent

This/These also do not necessarily replace antecedents right?
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Tough question!
I believe that THIS/THESE always have antecedents. Sometimes, however, the antecedent is not directly stated.

For example:
Joy entered the room to find her dog destroying a pillow. She thought, "THIS is why cats are better than dogs."
Here THIS refers to the INCIDENT of the dog destroying a pillow.

Do you have any particular examples in which THIS/THESE don't seem to have antecedents?

Cheers,
Brent

Hi Brent,

Could you help with the following question?

1. She is the most dedicated gardener on the block, every day watering the more than 50 plants in her yard.
2. She is the most dedicated gardener on the block, every day watering more than the 50 plants in her yard.

Which one is correct and why?

Thanks
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Both of the sentence can be correct. It depends on the message you're trying to convey.

Let's first start with this abridged version of sentence 1:
1. She is the most dedicated gardener on the block, every day watering the 50 plants in her yard.
Here, there are exactly 50 plants, and she waters them every day

Here's the full sentence:
1. She is the most dedicated gardener on the block, every day watering the MORE THAN 50 plants in her yard.
This has the exact same meaning, except now there are MORE THAN 50 plants.

2. She is the most dedicated gardener on the block, every day watering more than the 50 plants in her yard.
This sentence tells us that there are exactly 50 plants in her yard, and in addition to watering those 50 plants, she also waters other plants/things (presumably outside her yard).
It's a little odd, but it would be accurate if that's the intended message.

Hi Brent,
I have a doubt in pronoun, what does 'it' in dependent clause refers when there are two singular nouns in main clause.
In this case will it lead to ambiguity or does it refer to nearest noun or subject of the main clause.
can you please explain in such scenario as i have seen in few OG questions and getting confused.
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It's difficult to comment on this without an example. Can you send a link to a question with this issue?

In the meantime, if the singular pronoun IT appears after two singular nouns, then it's possible to have some ambiguity.
For example:
After setting a plate on the table, Joe noticed IT was dirty.
In this example, it's unclear whether the plate is dirty or the table is dirty.

Does that help?

Thanks Brent.The question is https://gmatclub.com/forum/while-depressed-property-values-can-hurt-some-large-investors-they-18708.html
Can you please explain this one :where 'they' refer to subject of the clause instead of nearest subject.In this sentence however it makes sense only with the subject, I am just worried whether this rule applies in all cases even if it 2 antecedents make sense.

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Question link: https://gmatclub.com/forum/while-depressed-property-values-can-hurt-some...

The sentence: While depressed property values can hurt some large investors, they are potentially devastating for homeowners, whose equity - in many cases representing a life's savings - can plunge or even disappear.

This situation is addressed at 2:50 of the following video: https://www.gmatprepnow.com/module/gmat-sentence-correction/video/1162

Here we have parallel structure in which the first (dependent) clause is parallel to the second (independent) clause.
That is we have: While VALUES can do one thing, THEY also do another thing.
And both clauses, the subject appears at the beginning of the clause. Given the parallel nature of the two clauses, we can assume THEY represents the subject of the first clause.

Does that help?

Thank you so much Brent.After watching the video again ,i am able to relate it clearly .

It's interesting that you chose to end the video by saying ...."that's all I want to say about that"...
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Perhaps I should have ended by saying "...that's all I have to say about THEY" :-)

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